Friday, May 14, 2010

I Was A Teenage Anarchist



I wrote this short piece for the website www.antimusic.com and their series "Singled Out". Thought I would reprint it here...

I got into radical politics when I was 15 years old, shortly after discovering punk music. At first I thought punk was just nihilism, misanthropy, self destruction, Sid Vicious. Then when I was 15 I got beat up by the cops; the experience changed my life. It was the 4th of July, Naples, Florida. Every year there's a fireworks celebration down on the beach by the pier, at least there used to be. Small boardwalks connect the street to the sand. I had gone down early to meet up with a couple friends and I as I stood there on the boardwalk looking out into the sea of people trying to spot my friends, two police officers approached me. I was asked to get off the boardwalk, they said I was blocking the flow of traffic. So I did, I turned around and walked off the boardwalk back down onto the street.
Then the two officers approached me again telling me to get off the boardwalk. I told them I was off the boardwalk. Next thing I knew one of the cops had grabbed me by the neck, twisted my arm behind my back and started dragging me over towards their parked cruiser. They slammed my face down onto the sun-baked trunk of the car., kicked my legs apart and started going through my pockets. Every time I tried to get my head up off the burning trunk it was slammed back down harder. After a long and immature verbal exchange, most of the immaturity being on my part (I think the words "fucking" and "pig" were used quite a lot if I remember correctly) they cuffed me and threw me into the back of the cruiser. The one cop stood there taunting me through the window until more officers showed up on the scene, at which point they pulled me out of the cruiser. My body went limp and I fell to my knees. Two officers pulled me up, one on each elbow, putting all my weight onto my cuffed wrists, my legs kicked out involuntarily, two other cops grabbed one each. They brought me around to the other side of the cruiser and dropped me face first into the middle of the street. One officer put a boot to my head, another put a knee in my back and then they proceeded to hog-tie me. I was then lifted up like a suitcase, held by an elbow and a leg and thrown into the back of a different cruiser.
When I got down to the station I remember the main officer who instigated the whole thing opening the car door and telling me he was going to cut my legs free, that if I kicked him he would put a bullet in my head. I was charged with Battery On An Officer and Resisting Arrest With Violence, two felony charges that I was convicted of despite my mother hiring an attorney that she couldn't really afford. I know now it was a small injustice compared to other instances of police violence I've heard of over the years, I was just a dirty punk kid who walked past the wrong cops, but at the time I was more than outraged.
The experience politicized me. I dropped out of high school. I started doing a zine. I started a distro of political pamphlets and Anarcho-punk records. I started a Food Not Bombs chapter with a group of friends. We met other like minded people across Florida and started a radical activist network. We organized protests, we organized gatherings, workshops, participated in direct action. I was a Teenage Anarchist. When I was younger my opinions where very black and white, I was either for or against something, and that's how I defined myself. A lot of those opinions where formed by social influence from the scene I was a part of, being younger I felt the need to belong to something, a group of people, I wanted acceptance. Over time I realized how some people use their positions of stature to pursue their own personal agenda's, selling their own personal brand of self- serving revolution. This all being the complete opposite of what drew me towards Anarchism in the first place. I found that the people who professed the loudest that they were the most open minded individuals were in fact usually the most close minded. I feel like the revolution sold to me when I was a teenager by the punk scene, by the Anarchist scene was a lie. The real revolution was the political awakening. That initial spark that made me want to change the world. And that's what I'm interested in, maintaining that fire. That's what the song is about. I am an autonomous individual. I think for myself. I have no need to supplement my identity through belonging to a scene or exclusively endorsing any brand of political thought. And if anyone is offended by that I feel like it only reaffirms my conviction. For if it's heresy for an Anarchist to say "FUCK Anarchy" then Anarchism is truly just another flag, and I say burn it along with the rest of them.

123 comments:

Jesse C said...

Brilliant.

Jesus said...

I remember reading this somewhere on the AM forum awhile ago, but it still strikes me as a fun piece of history. It's always interesting to see where people got their start and their political stance.

Congratulations on the new album and video. Don't listen to the critics and "sell-out" chants, just keep moving forward and doing your thing.

Jenni said...

Thank you, Tom. Thank you for this.

Anonymous said...

Thank you.

Duncan said...

Great essay. I don't like the new album as much as some of the older stuff, but I respect the progression all the same. This was an honest and inspiring piece, thank you.

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Scott said...

this should be inserted to every single copy of the new album. Spoken word, paper inset, photocopied...I don't care how.

aweome

me said...

awesome piece tom

Anonymous said...

Fuck yeah Tom. Fuck yeah.

Anonymous said...

So, what I get from this, and you, is that you do in fact want to set the world on fire still, just not necessarily under the "anarcho-punk" flag...

Anonymous said...

the rest of my camp was yelling wolf on you guys a long time ago, but I stayed loyal, it's all about the music. New wave was highly produced but it was great production. What is with the production on the new record? Is that auto tune? Do you guys both play les pauls and marshalls now? Cant be Butch Vig.

Six_Shooter said...

Your opinion is really honest. In your position as a punk-rock musician, it's easier to say what they want to hear.

I appreciate that. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

zing

CuyahogaCait said...

Well said.

thedailygonz said...

I'm so glad you decided to write this.

Anonymous said...

thats some bullshit man! you dont want a revolution. Revolution demands organizing, it demands forming workers organizations with the capability of fighting the rich and winning to build a new world based on solidarity and equality!....oh yeah thats why you're not an anarchist anymore just another rich guy. This sucks so bad and the worst part is that rock and roll used to be rebellious. it used to give kids a place to turn to to express radicalism. Against Me! at one point used to be apart of this long tradition. Now youre writing shitty songs that kids will hear and instantly think there is nothing in radical politics, like its just for kids and they need to grow out of it. Well i believe i speak for all the anarchists out there who will always fight for a free society for the workers when i say Get Lost! we are against the rich and you sir are now indistinguishable from all the other rich pop stars leeching off society.

Anonymous said...

Last time I checked, Against Me! was driving their van across the country. Perhaps does this separate them from society leeching pop stars? I doubt Kanye West even packs his own suitcase, never-mind driving from Cali to Florida with gear.

Anonymous said...

nope. Not one bit. still rich parasites. If that is how low the standards are its really sad. "but they drive in a van (or probably tour bus) to their gigs they are still a group for the people!" hahahaha maybe its powered by veggie oil...or maybe its a hybrid! yeah that way they can get liberal brownie points! better rock the vote guys! cause we sure dont want to rock the boat! lets get back to organizing for a revolution what do you say we have a world to win...remember?

kylewagoner said...

WOOOOO!! I love this.

Anonymous said...

driving in a van doesn't have anything to do with music, which is really the only thing worth discussing in this context, isn't it?

if you are so obsessed with comparing against me! (the people) with kanye west (the person), i am unsure as to how you managed to click out of your favourite celebrity gossip website to find yourself making embarrassing attempts in discussing music.

Anonymous said...

should have written the song when you were young. should stop writing music now. Warren pulled out of AM! at the right time.

Troy said...

I wish more people thought this way. Bravo Tom. This kind of stuff is why AM! will always be my favorite band. BTW those people using their radical views to serve themselves are the same ones calling you sellouts. Fuck em.

Anonymous said...

Says the dude on the computer he bought from Gateway with a Windows OP system from Best Buy and a Comcast connection.

Craig said...

That's a really interesting story, Tom.

Mommy Dearest said...

I applaud this essay, Tom. I think every teenager experiences their overly rebellious stage, hanging with a tough crowd because they want to feel powerful and feel like they have control and they belong.

But every teenager grows up and has life experiences and their views and ideals mature. You have obviously done that. And I say kudos.

For people to call you sell outs is ridiculous. If you were a sellout, you would be writing the same music over And over because you know your old fan base would love it, regardless of what you love. Your music still has a message. You're still AM! but you are now the REAL AM!. I'm proud of your growth and I personally love the changes your music has gone through.

To the douche that's spewing hateful garbage while remaining "anonymous", you aren't a very good "radical" if you have to hide behind anonymity. I think you are hiding because you don't want your step in line, hardcore, "rock and roll" friends to know that you probably still appreciate Tom and the rest of the guys for all they have to offer. Why else are you still reading -and posting- on Tom's blog? To you I say, "fuck off and join a totally radical anarchy forum". Leave these posts to the true fans.

To tom- keep on fucking rocking it!

Oldskool said...

you could not find a sorrier bunch of losers than the ppl in the socalled gainesville scene. parrots, all. sheeple running about in their little uniforms, w their uniform opinions, music tastes, and clique-ish ways. i have always said, pls lord give me the alternative to this "alternative." what is the pt of defining urself apart from the mainstream herd, if ur just going to replicate the same shoddy methods of control and manipulation via lame insider politics in a smaller herd. look at me i wear all black and have patches on my clothes, a snarky attitude, and gossip about other ppl to raise my social standing thru fear, intimidation and ostracization. 1234 who's punk what's the score?
this essay does a great job of reminding us all of similar struggles/experiences we had in formative years when we "got" how fucked up ppl are capable of being via true tastes of human cruelty and caprice. it was these experiences that made us want to live "differently." be differently and some even wanted to help create a different world.

how sad that "anarchists" "punkers" etc. turned that difference into a "brand" and capitalize on it daily for their own personal power economies. u weak-minded mutherfuckers. grow some and start thinking for urself. if i can tell u everything u think and believe JUST BY LOOKING AT YOU then u've basically become a fucking cartoon, no longer a person. tom was a good musician w a lot of passion when he moved to town and he never really fit the mold of the "big fish" in this "small pond." i'm not surprised to see him write this essay and realize that the same ppl who suck ur ass will bite it given the chance.

Anonymous said...

yeah except it's still a bad and boring song

Jonathon Osborne said...

Here is the problem.

You've got ignorant claims from anarchists such as this...

"Well i believe i speak for all the anarchists out there who will always fight for a free society for the workers when i say Get Lost! we are against the rich and you sir are now indistinguishable from all the other rich pop stars leeching off society.

Get real man. You believe you speak for all the anarchists? I wouldn't claim to be able to speak for my mother let alone ANY anarchist? And to call Tom Gabel indistinguishable is funny. Umm...::cough::...uh controversy.

Then you have Tom...

"I have no need to supplement my identity through belonging to a scene or exclusively endorsing any brand of political thought. And if anyone is offended by that I feel like it only reaffirms my conviction. For if it's heresy for an Anarchist to say "FUCK Anarchy" then Anarchism is truly just another flag, and I say burn it along with the rest of them."

Is this not nihilism disguised as moral high ground?

If that is an incorrect statement then feel free to correct me. I'm not sure of my command of the word nihilism.

So, Tom is making his ascendancy to god.(that is tongue in cheek) And he is leaving us mere mortals in the impure world of symbolism.

I patiently await Tom the Bodhisvatta to return with the fruits so that we may all partake and enjoy the solidarity of the future struggle.

...

And pray for another torch bearer and black flag carrier. Hell an army of em.

Jonathon Osborne said...

I just hope to hear "Baby I'm an Anarchist" in a stadium. The oddity, the comedy, the beauty.

Viz said...

"If it's heresy for an Anarchist to say "FUCK Anarchy" then Anarchism is truly just another flag, and I say burn it along with the rest of them."

Quotes like this affirm my suspicion that Tom and I are long-lost brothers.

I'm not a huge fan of the video, but I appreciate the sentiment and I love the song.

Katherine said...

I was into leftist politics many years ago, not anarchism, but the song rings true to my experience. The hypocrites, sexists, and assholes on my own "side" were as offensive as the people we were supposed to be calling out. My politics haven't changed since I was 14 years old, but the way I deal with it certainly had to. You captured a little piece of my life.

Anonymous said...

i was wondering a bit what you were fully getting at in this song. i saw it as a bit of a denouncement of the anarchist movement as a whole, which was disheartening. the anarcho scene is not the core of the movement and honestly, fuck the kids. as an anarchist who seldom finds any sort of comradere with the so called like-minded around me, i can see where you're coming from. too often i'm ostracized for not subscribing to the same set of values (ludicrously implying anarchism has a set ideology). it makes you a bit dejected with it all.

i'm glad you still keep the fire. it speaks louder than the -ism's and slogans.

Carl said...

I personally identify with Tom on this one. Definitely. Both with the cops, and the scene.

Theres two duos of cops that like to harass me and my buds. Nowadays they dont touch us cause they know theyll lose in court, but they still try to push the badge around just cause we wear denim vests.

The "anarchist" scene here rejected me and some of my friends cause we actually think for ourselves. Sure, I hate the government, and it would be nice if we could get along without such institutions (basically pure communism), but when i pointed out that anarchy eventually breeds capitalism once more, i was shunned. These pricks cant see past their narrow, self-image-preserving mottos and slogans and continually eliminate what would be valuable assets to the cause that is universal liberty.

Everyone, remember this; rebellion is what is in your heart, mind, and the legwork you use to accomplish your goals. But no rebellion for liberty means squat if it requires any individual to completely conform, or else its simply another party for the machine.

Thanks Tom. The scene may not appreciate you, but we do.

~Your Life is Your Own. Live it~
-Carl

James said...

Isn't that just as reactionary of a response as considering it heresy at all?

"Anarchist" is best suited as an adjective, not a noun. I have never felt constricted or enslaved to particular opinion by self-identifying as an anarchist. I have felt liberated to be whatever it is I am and to accept everyone else for whatever it is they are.

But not wanting to self-identify as an anarchist is one thing. Not wanting to "endorse any brand of political thought" is something I can totally understand and respect. Working in cooperation with the RIAA and major record labels, serving as another cog in a corporate system that pulls shit like suing dead kids families for file sharing, and emphasizes profit incentive over art, is something I abhor.

Stop acting like resentment from a radical community is totally senseless and unsubstantiated! Say Emma Goldman was a hack. Burn your Crass records. Throw away all your black bandannas. Never play another basement show for the rest of your life. I don't care! But don't become another corporate music making tool that preaches to the masses of the illegitimacy of anarchist ideology just because you got caught up in a reactionary, status obsessed radical scene when you were 15.

Anonymous said...

Great story Tom, I for one love the song and the video is amazing. Don't listen to people telling you to stop making music, people who think maturing as a musician is selling out need to do a bit of maturing themselves.

jamie from louisville said...

Tom, between reading posts like this and hearing about making yourself available at all hours for my friend to call when she was going through withdrawl just solidifies in my mind that you're a wonderful human being who deserves every ounce of fame you've achieved. Thank you for all your sincerity.

ashleigh said...

i remember hearing this story from the naples punk kids. when i arrived in town, years later, not much had changed. the unfortunate truth is that some of those individuals couldn't move on in a constructive way. they either decided to rage against authority (to only their detriment) or ignore their better judgment and keep quiet. i know everyone is really happy that you got out and your hard work culminated in something meaningful, but they find it difficult to reconcile with their stasis in their golden gate moira. there is absolutely a lesson in your journey, it's just a shame that all that potential you were surrounded by eventually went to waste. i wish you continued success.

Anonymous said...

Hey I am coming to see you with Jess Groenwald on June 18 in Tampa. So, I hope to get to talk to you and i hope all is well. I have your number, ill call you when the date is closer, I know your over seas right now and I hope you are having a great experience, but remember......"Don't Lose Touch"......Kristi

Nathan said...

you losers who spread you hate, are the real "parasites" Your disgusting "ideals" and self deprecation is what is wrong with "punk" music..What kind of people are you? Want kind of role models do you want? Would it be "cool" if Tom was sleeping in a gutter, causing domestic terrorism in the name of "anarchy" and maybe even better yet, hooked on drugs? Would that be "cool"? would that be "punk"??? Yea, Against Me! is really "pop" they might be the next "Jonas Brothers" at the rate they are going, right??? Oh my gosh, I could go on, but it it just so passe and lame...let's just all be losers and live in a gutter, eating shit, collection cans and being angry at how much "the system" sucks...good luck with that, I hope you find fulfillment in your toxic waste of thought...if you could see the motion im doing right now, it is my index finger and thumb rubbing against each other...You know what that it? It is the worlds smallest fiddle playing just for you...blah, blah, blah, blah , blah, etc...get off your ass and do something with your life...fuck the "system" and self loathing never makes any positive change...lets set the world on fire, buy building each other up and through unity...and you guys talk about tom being a "rich guy" yea, I'm sure we'll see him on the forbes 10 richest people next year...sheeshhhh...yea hes sooo rich because he and Heather have a House, are able to buy decent things and provide for their new precious baby. maybe they should be living out of a van, wearing dirty clothes and living of of food stamps, to "keep it real" in the name of "punk" i guarantee the punk legends, the ones who started "Punk" (Rammones, Clash, MC5, etc..) have all made more cash then Tom and the guys ever will... (They are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for Christ sake) I'm rambling, but I'm old and have heard this song and dance so many times, and used to subscribe the the sell out mentality when I was in H.S. I'm done, but for the record, fuck you, and your "sell out" bullshit..save it for when you and your 7 loser friends get together to get drunk and high and talk about how much no one understands you and how mom and dad are thinking abut having to send you to rehab again because you can't get your shit together...I'm out...

Against Me! then, now and hopefully for a long, long time!

The Ghost of James Taylor said...

?^?^?

Your disgusting "ideals" and self deprecation is what is wrong with "punk" music?

Come on man what's that? Bunch of phoney baloney.

Anonymous said...

awesome, it is hard for some people to understand how to be themselves without labeling themselves, and it is awesome that you are able to say this is who i am take it or leave it and if you have a problem with it... GO FUCK YOURSELF. keep doing your own thing tom.

Anonymous said...

I call Bullshit It's completely ridiculous to turn your back on an entire ideology because you think a small group of people are self righteous. You're simply creating a strawman to burn while ignoring the real issues. Aren't issues like social justice, equality, and freedom bigger issues than some guys dressed in all black hurt my feelings.

AM has done what every other self righteous kids do when they lose their ultra-idealism, they become apathetic and turn to excuses. Start a Cop Watch or a movement or help someone out. They gave this up and that's where the criticism stems from.

At the end of the day, they're just making millions of dollars for corporations that participate in unchecked greed, controlling government, ruining the environment, etc. When they used to along with others try to build a viable alternative.

MF said...

I call bullshit on everyone who thinks that folky-punky-college-town activism alone will save the world. Copwatch, Food Not Bombs, Critical Mass, DIY, and everything else in the milieu just serve as subcultural activities that are benign at best. Regardless of message, punk rock in America is incurably tied to privilege, historically and in practice, and that needs to be recognized. Subcultures can be major obstacles to community organizing. (http://www.classmatters.org/)

I also call bullshit on anyone who thinks that criticizing musicians advances their own politics in any meaningful way.

Lucy Stag said...

Fin sentiments, Tom. But your support of Obama was pretty fucking nauseating.

Be yourself, but make sure not to vote for status quo creeps who want to oppress their fellow man.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry to disillusion you but I highly doubt that Tom reads your comments. Because if he did, he wouldn't be able to write that autarkic anymore.

Anonymous said...

this couldn't have anything to do with your musical career could it? You're essentially just saying "I used to have convictions, but now my conviction is money?" Just be honest that you were and always have been a commodity. You sold the commodity of resistance to anarchists, and when that was no longer profitable or became too profitable, you moved on to bigger and better markets.

Anonymous said...

I relate to Tom on so mmany different levels. I was the very same way growing up until I realizxed that people are people. Punks are just as anoying as the right wingers.

The revolution was a catchy phrase and a faded sticker on a skateboard (thank you propagandhi).

I was a teenage anarchist and I now I am a computer programmer. I am the same person but my life experiences has changed my point of view.

Against Me is still writing music with a message. Music that gives me goose bumps and makes people think.

You could also say that staying underground for the benifit of being true to punk roots is just another form of conformity.

When I took off my spiked collar and stopped dying my hair I stopped conforming to the trendy punk scene. But I still get my rocks off to awesome bands like AM and nofx and I will always be a punk at heart.

Thank you Against Me for being a band with listening to and keeping punk alive.

Anonymous said...

I think the guy who said something like "don't discredit anarchism as an ideal just because of how some people twist it" had a good point.
I'm sorry Tom, but it's jut how this songs sounds "I was young and stupid and now i matured past this kiddie belief system". And all this being in the same time you switched to a major label. But this would feel fine if you did only one of these things. But going to a major while distancing yourself from your former beliefs just seems like...well..surrender.

Jack said...

On the contrary, anonymous, it seems like the dude's belief system just evolved. One would assume that evolution and self-growth is actually far more productive in the grand scheme of things than rigidity.

I'm not very articulate, but you might want to read the interview contained in this link. Just scroll down to the addendum. It's an interview done by the writer Dave Eggers. http://www.armchairnews.com/freelance/eggers.html

A quote I thought might be pertinent:

"Too cowardly to address problems of substance where such problems actually are, we claw at those close to us. We point to our neighbor, in the khakis and sweater, and cry foul. It's ridiculous. We find enemies among our peers because we know them better, and their proximity and familiarity means we don't have to get off the couch to dismantle them."

Hope to see you guys at Common Grounds or The Atlantic sometime soon.

Anonymous said...

you are the most brilliant thing to come out of Florida, hands down!

Anonymous said...

Tom,
Thanks for offering more clarity, but I think you're still off base. The song itself is reducing anarchy to what you say you aren't in the post. You're arguing anarchy is a fashion--you aren't pointing out that in your scene it became synonymous with fashion-- you're reducing the whole political movement. A movement that is huge, tens of thousants, look at the greeks!

My conservative college political science professors don't even reduce anarchy to “fashion”--even if they only anarchists they "know" at the time are punks.

Anarchy itself is anti-label, you seem to know this by your last few lines of this post, but you make fun of anarchy's inability to live up to it or something. Anarchy couldn’t give a shit less whether or not you defined yourself as an anarchist. Anarchists aren't out there to make anarchists, they're out there to start the fire and awaken the thought process. As long as you didn’t become a slave to corporations or governments you are no enemy of anarchy. It did not become “too rigid” and set it’s “sights on you.”--Some dumb fucks in your scene did that--and you did that by becoming a slave to a fuck-huge corporation.

You seem to acknowledge the difference, but the song itself does not.

Thank you for this post anyway, somehow... it did make me feel better.

Best,
bloodybloodyicecream.tumblr.com

Anonymous said...

I'm from Italy (so I apologize for my english) and I really think you're a sincere and clever person. That's what I think "anarchy" (or a better world in general) should be made of. Many people who call themselves "anarchists" and call you "sellout", "rich" or other stuff have nothing revolutionary. GRAZIE for your music and your words! ciao!

Jamie Ross said...

I always get a chuckle when I read hyper-critical comments from anonymous posters.

In this case, it's Mr. "Revolution demands organizing..." who's cracking me up.

What a tool.

Grow a set and throw your name down, I dare you.

Also, I like this blog entry. Very insightful, but an unfortunate event.

deziderata said...

where can I get ahold of one of these zines/ distro you used to run?

Justin said...

I get what Tom is going at,and I respectfully disagree. I have been for the majority of my life an Anarchist. I have participated in the "scene" many times and frankly I'm still very involved. When I first got into anarchy I was young and of course I became that idealist asshole tom mentions. However, after awhile I grew out of it. I still have the same beliefs, I'm just a lot less hostile to other peoples. The problem with the anarchist scene today is the "I'm right your wrong no questions" attitude. This alienates everyone else and causes many people end up like Tom. It can be really disheartening when a good guy like Tom sells out a bit, but we all learn to move on and hope he chooses to give the scene another chance

Erin said...

I've had a lot of radical opinions in my life and although not a single one of them has been of an anarchist nature (I honestly never spent much time thinking about an ideal which had such an infinitely small possibility of succeeding - disagree as you will)I completely empathize with the feeling Tom has written about.

My realization came when I noticed that there's absolutely no way to change the world to something which consists of such radical ideals as Anarchy. It sounds fucking great on paper - but people are greedy so it just doesn't work. (Am I right Marx?)

Since then I've set my goals to something more achievable. I'm now 20 or so credits from obtaining my Physics degree in hopes of advancing our society through lessening our dependences on fossil fuels. Perhaps then maybe my children won't be stuck in some fucking desert someday fighting an invisible enemy for oil. That may not be "punk" or and anarchist type of goal but it's mine and I'll do the best I can in the time I spend on this world to help achieve it.

I'm only 23 years old which means I probably haven't learned as many lessons in life as Tom has but there's really nothing I enjoy more than observing growth and maturity. For everyone bitching about Toms post - think how the dude felt when he realized everything he believed in was no longer anything he believed in.

Nathan said...

ahhh @Anonymous (I know there is quite a few, ha) autarkic? Is that an SAT word? :)

Of course Tom and the guys have moved on to different markets...the cats just want to play music and rock...

John Lennon's imagine is a great thought. So is pure Anarchy, socialism, Communism...They look good on paper and in our ideals, but have never worked and will never work...not trying to be "preachy", but we/humans are corrupt beings gravitating to our perversions, greed, dishonesty, etc...

yes, Against Me! is a commodity. We all are...do you buy clothes? Food? Gas? Do you work? Do you live in country, or society?

The records you buy, the venues you see shows at, the guitars and equipment musicians use to play music...they are all commodities...

Since the dawn of time we have been killing each other, screwing each other over, etc...we will never live in a perfect flawless world. We are "fallen" beings. That is how it has always been, and that is how it is always going to be. From now, and until God decides to cancel this Reality show He calls, "Earth"...

democracy, capitalism, socialism, etc..all have pro's and con's. All have problems...there are over 6 BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. do you really think that pure Anarchy would ever work? With the history of the human race and how rotten we treat each other. There is no way. We would end up being in worse shape then we already are as a planet and globe...

You would have to convince all 6 BILLION PLUS individuals to operate altruistically. The probability of that happening is, well, it will never happen...if you could though, one person straying from the fray, would fuck up the whole system...

seriously consider the ideology of Anarchy. nobody "likes" governance and authority. We all want world peace and a collective mind set, but it is not going to happen. Not on this planet and not within our species...

Richard Nielsen said...

You People Sound like a bunch of God Damn Fucking Hippies waiting for a new Beatles album to come out so they can check each and every note to see if there is a message. Look Tom made his point. He got beat up by some pigs.It changed his life. Most punks have some sort of a story why there punx. He won't sell out. leave it at that. How fucking hard is it. You like AM or you fucking don't..Go ask Fat Mike if he's a sell out....he never made no zine, or feed the hungry....Can't you assholes just enjoy a good punx band everyonce in a decade?

Craig said...

sick man this is what i have been trying to tell everyone/ it is what i am all about. i am just a "human" you can't just pull me out of some filing cabinet "don't call me white"!
well like the new tracks/will be going to the south florida show coming up with silver sun pickups! It is sick you all are touring with them...play bastards of young if you all have a chance/never miss a show ~Craig Tharp~ keep doing what feels good musically!

Mr. Ryan Bince said...

DUDE. Warner pulled a copyright claim on your video. Those fuckers!

Anonymous said...

hahaha... you can't even control your own intelectual property! For The Win!

oh well i guess that what happens when you 'grow up' and get old...

Anonymous said...

I raised myself on radical ideals and anarchist doctrines ever since I was young, and I'll even admit a lot of that was driven by the passion I felt from songwriters like Tom Gabel. I would sneak away from my parents house to go to protests, and I would spread my ideals to kids at my school so that they could do the same. Now I'm not ashamed to admit that I live in a solidly middle class family. But one of my biggest problems with the Anarchist scene was not the Ideals, but the other Anarchists who so secularized and polarized everything that I could hardly participate. Who gives a fuck what my family's financial background was, assuming I truly meant what I said? And why should it be any different for Tom, someone who has done more to further the Anarchist ideals than probably any of you shit faced kids at home talking about how he's sold his soul? Yes, he makes money. But can you honestly tell me, you so-called-revolutionists, of one single coup that didn't have some kind of financial backing? And yes, he has fallen away from the scene, like many others. But if you notice, his issues didn't lie with Anarchy, but rather, like I mentioned earlier, with the self-serving, so-called-revolutionists who were so decidedly closed-minded they were tearing the movement apart at the seams, by purposefully dividing and almost creating a sort of Anarcho-elitism within the movement, as though you need to be of an exact mindset in every way in order to be an Anarchist, that you must have this kind of financial status and this kind of upbringing. And that, brothers, is nothing short of Fascism.

I still believe in Anarchy, but I hesitate to call myself an Anarchist anymore.

Anonymous said...

you turn your back on everything you used to stand for, sign to a major label, drop the politics and up the hooks in your songs and then you dis the entire anarchist scene because what? you went to some parties as a kid and met some loud mouth anoks? you're a turncoating bitch tom. i hope someone fucks your wife.

Anonymous said...

i know posting here won’t get me any replies so it’s basically worthless, isn’t it?

but then again, i think i just have, quite probably because am! used to mean something to me.

i really hope i misunderstood this essay (english is not my mother tongue) but unfortunately i don’t think i did. are you so shortsighted, tom? do you really use anarchism or anarchy as a synonym for florida’s (anarcho-) punk scene? i always thought anarchism (i don’t like using this term, i have to say) was a set of ideas like questioning capitalist structures, the role of human beings in our society, being against racism, nationalism, religion? A set of ideas with a some hundred years long tradition and history, by the way.

for you anarchism seems to be a bunch of american punks who behave stupidly. well, we can easily agree that the political aspect of punk is fairly overrated. almost every punk activist I met or read anything about turned out to be pretty limited in his capability of political thinking. but what the hell has this to do with anarchism or any other way of critical, anti capitalist thinking? punk was (and probably still is - somewhere) important to get (some) people to think. It’s a good starting point and fairly great music, but that’s it. so please, don’t mix this stuff up.

btw: i don’t care if you make big money with your music. it’s a capitalist world we live in so take what you can get. but then again, you, with your background, can do some things differently. i have seen less political bands then am! offering more political information at shows. or donating money for projects that badly need it. or just selling organic and fair trade t-shirts. that’s not very radical but still far away from being standard.

greetings from the other side of the big ocean, marco

Anonymous said...

I liked that new song they did, "Selling out is still honest". Ah ha...ah...eh yeah it's cheap. Hey I read an interesting piece of information today about Somalia(you know that war torn hellhole).

"That chaotic picture has elements of truth; a recent BBC report on urban Somalia found no shortage of people lamenting the lack of free passage down roads and the amount of their income paid as kickbacks to armed gangs. But in a recent study two World Bank economists found a surprising side to Somali statelessness. Its "private sector experience," Tatiana Nenova and Tim Harford write, "suggests that it may be easier than is commonly thought for basic systems of finance and some infrastructure services to function where government is extremely weak or absent." They report that "Somalia boasts lower rates of extreme poverty and, in some cases, better infrastructure than richer countries in Africa."

So basically if everyone can learn to uh chillax we've got a viable anarchist state.

surrealobscenity said...

Tom,

I wanted to say thank you for this song. This is one of the first songs I've heard that I can say it means something to me. It rips down to the core of me and I am truly grateful that you make music, especially this song.
Keep up the good fight. For every person that thinks you sold out or talks shit about this song and what it means there is another person out there who is touched and truly understands what it is.

Sincerely,
Max

Alex Bingham said...

"Movements are systems, and systems kill"

Anarchism is about free thought, not being so devoted to a movement that it overshadows you and your ideas. Tom is just being honest with what he thinks. Which is more "anarchist" or "punk" than any of the anonymous trolls foaming at the mouth over the song could be.

Anonymous said...

Although you have changed your overall music style over the years and have sort of gone into the mainstream way of business, I still respect you for doing that show in...New York, I believe it was (I don't know for sure, I wasn't there) where it was just you and the original drummer playing old school songs inside of a cramped room, surrounded by fans. When was it? Like last year? I think that if a musician can do that despite the amount of popularity he's gaining, then he still deserves the same amount of respect that he garnered in previous times. Rock on, dude.

- Josh. Waco, Tx.

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Bonus said...

i'm glad you posted this, it's well thought out and very articulate. i'm anxiously awaiting my copy of White Crosses to get delivered, i can't wait to blast that shit (i've held off listening to it completely so far.. the anticipation is killing me)

cheers!

choooo said...

good stuff tom!

Tommy D. said...

Lots of people do not even understand the concept of anarchy at all. The comments on this page help proving that point.

Really, anarchy has nothing to do with a scene. It means acting like a human being. I as an Anarchist don't actually believe that the global revolution will come today or tomorrow. We can work in small steps to come closer and closer to an ideal ethical society.

Unfortunately this song strengthens the image of anarchy being a foolish teenage ideology. Tom criticizes closed-mindedness, and that's a valid point. However I find it quite closed-minded as well, to project a personal experience with an anarchist scene onto a whole movement. The values and theories of anarchism are not equal to the all the people who consider themselves anarchists.

And really, the sentence "the revolution was a lie" was an incredibly reactionary line. Saying things like that strengthens the image of anarchy being just a foolish teenage ideology. It's okay, Tom and Against Me! can do what they want. But I just can't enjoy listening to it anymore after this development. All of the best wishes to the band and the fans, but I am out.

Moe Ramone said...

I loved this a lot.

Andrew said...

Just wanted to let you know I've listened to New Wave over and over and over. Just listening to I Was A Teenage Anarchist on Q101 Chicago from Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada and glad to be promptly headed out to buy the new CD. GD awesome stuff.

Anonymous said...

I have been watching kids fight over against me on message boards since 2005. To the super punx activist- A) If you're into anarchy and changing the world for the better, stop putting negativity into it by hating on an individual who you're obviously obbsessed with anyway. B) Make a list of things you have done in the past week to better your community (writing on blogs doesn't count). I'm not trying to be a dick... but fucking grow up. I wish everyone would realize how fucking stupid it is to have such a divide over a band. Appreciate whatever they might have done for you and move on. Seriously this shit is unhealthy and it's somehow bringing me down.

Landon Sheely said...

If anarchism becomes just another flag, burn it with the rest of them. - via Tom Gabel

fantastic.

i feel like this is why I have simply stopped talking politics and putting labels on actions, and just acted. impact.

Lobo Jones said...

I'm not gonna say my opinion of the new album. It doesn't matter, whether it is of your taste or not, you gotta have respect for the boys from Against Me. Gabel is still a great lyricist. The music has definitely changed but it's still well performed.

I happen to think that a musician telling his fans to fuck off for not allowing him to grow, explore, make mistakes and expand his creativity is pretty, ahem, punk.

For me, it's not a clothing or musical style. It's a mindset to do what you want, strive for it and to reject anyone who tells you you can't.

But debating what's punk or anarchist or not is worthless, everyone interprets these concepts to their fit into their own ideals.

You grow up, your interests change, things you once believed with all your heart change. A good artist will take all these things, these changes, these conflicts and put it into their art to document where they are at. All while the rest of us bitch back and forth on message boards.

That's White Crosses, it's where Gabel is at right now. If you don't like it, start your own band.

Commence "well, I don't have musical talent but if I did I wouldn't do what he's doing" excuses.... now.

Anonymous said...

Tom is right about one thing in his song. It is truly convenient. It was convenient for him to write anarchist anthems when he had no money, and it's convenient for him now to say all this while being a corporate whore.

I started listening to Against Me! way back in the early parts of the past decade, I was 16, young, and pretty much politically the same as I am now. I never liked the idea of anarchism, it's a silly idea and goes against everything that is human nature. But I always admired the idea and honesty of anarchism. It's what drew me to the band. The honesty of "We did it all for Don" made me fall in love with the band, but it was a sham.

In truth, Against Me! were never honest. They aren't honest right now as you all read this. It's all convenience. If they were never approached by Fat Wreck, or never had a chance to move up, they would still be singing about the same stuff they did before. They never would of changed their political view on anarchism or the scene. They hate the scene because they betrayed the scene and the scene rightly shunned them for it.

It's not the scene that changed him. It's the money. I agree the scene is bullshit and full of closed minded aholes, but let's be real here. It's all way too convenient for him to just one day hate the scene at the same time he's approached by larger labels offering him a shit ton of money.

It was Conor Oberst who once said "Nevermind the shit that I sing about, cause i'd sell myself to buy a fucking house." And I could not agree more with that statement. It's all about being honest, Against Me! were never honest.

Anonymous said...

And that's why I don't go to the pier. Fuck, I want to get out of Naples.

Jon said...

The more I hear from Tom Gabel, the more I come to respect him and his music. I may not have had to endure such harsh things, but I've had my own journey to political awareness and I can totally relate to what you're getting at. Seems like whenever a movement gets a label, it's members get sucked into a set of principles that they don't completely agree with and it becomes less of a personal ideology and more like a cult full of cookie cutter stereotypes.

Funny I should hear this song at this juncture of my life, because I just came to the same conclusion: "That initial spark that made me want to change the world. And that's what I'm interested in, maintaining that fire... I think for myself. I have no need to supplement my identity through belonging to a scene or exclusively endorsing any brand of political thought. "

Thanks Tom, and I hope you perform in Portland, OR soon!

aj said...

You ever feel like your entire life was building to the point where you could just piss off a huge number of people for a living?

You're living the dream, man. Living the dream.

youhana said...

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Anonymous said...

This resonates although the song sucks

tattoo said...

So....

I'm curious.

If 'Baby, I'm An Anarchist' was just you trying on clothes, then what else was completely fake?

'The Politics of Starving'?
'Those Anarcho Punks Are Mysterious'?
'Miami'?

Enjoy your money, I reckon.

All those books you supposedly read....


Ummmm, you didn't, right?

Because you obviously have, and never did have, a true conceptual grasp of Anarchism.

Good ridden.

People like you have always made our lives so much more difficult.

we rock, because it's us against them
we found our own reasons to sing,
and it's so much less confusing
when lines are drawn like that.
when people are either consumers or revolutionaries,
enemies or friends. hanging onto the fringes of the cogs in the system. it's just about knowing where everyone stands.

LIAR.

FUCKING. LIAR.

Jonny1188 said...

I can't imagine why Tom would consider anarchism "just another flag [to] burn... along with the rest of them," considering the rants and whines that infest this comment section.

It's funny how people who claim to know, well, just about anything can be so mistaken. As I've personally read, there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold, other that the state is "harmful and unnecessary." But apparently earning a bigger paycheck and writing music in new ways that appeal to more people somehow negates Tom's political views.

So... what anarchist manifesto states that "thall shall not listen to or create music that appeals to multiple demographics", or that "thall shall not make enough cash to allow thine wife and child to live beyond a state of squalor and starvation"?

Oh, and I suppose you "set the world on fire" by only interacting with .0001% of people your entire career?

Tom, since I first started listening to Against Me! and learned what the songs were about, the fire inside me burned brighter than ever to want to change the world, and I appreciate the hell out of the sentiment shown by this piece of your life that you've shared with us fans. However, the sad fact is you just can't argue logic and reason with people who speak out of anger and hate. They'll always be able to pat themselves on the back and denounce the world at large, but will never change it.

L.F. said...

Seriously Tom I lost a lot of respect for you with this album. You really come off as a straight up poseur. How can you write a song like "Baby, I'm an anarchist" and then release a song like this? You want to settle into your cozy new life as a dad and husband and big name front man and that's honestly fine you deserve success and happiness but this is a bunch of crap and you know it. I will always love all your other albums even the solo record but the enthusiasm I felt while singing along will never really feel the same.

Anonymous said...

you are a fucking lie, tom, and you now it if you've ever understood anything of the anarchist idea

C.A. Scott said...

This song introduced me to you, Tom, and your band. It's brilliant. At 40 years old, I have to say the lyrics really resonated w/me even though I was never hard-core into "the scene." (My husband was more so, however, and used to crew for several bands.) I am, however, somewhat jaded politically... The Tea Party, NRA insanity over the past year or so has taught us that the only way you can get noticed as a movement is to have (secret) corporate backing.

Carl said...

or that all you need is massive, well coordinated nationwide support from the middle class. the NRA has almost 4 million members paying dues nationwide, and the tea party has the support of almost every blue collar worker and entrepreneur across the nation.

if you believe that corporate backing is necessary, think again.

you could refer to the NRA as corporate backing, but you need to remember that the people ARE the NRA and that it wouldnt exist without their support.


also, if youre an anarchist and truly believe in anarchy, then why the fuck are you bashing on tom for doing his own thing? capitalism is the de facto economic system of anarchy. it seems that many anarchists nowadays want an economy more similar to marxist or bismarckian socialism/communism, neither of which are possible if everyone is completely free to do whatever the fuck they want, cause one dude is gonna have a brilliant idea and want more than a pat on the back for it.

anarchy eventually breeds capitalism. therefore, if tom decides to go major, thats his decision and not yours. so if you bash that decision, YOURE the liar, not tom.

Jamon said...

This song resonates uncomfortably deeply with me and memories I've had of trying to break into the "punk" scene in Utah. I'm an anarchist (well, minarchist) who doesn't feel the need to pierce himself, smoke pot, be vegan, or dye my hair and style it offensively (this feeling accompanied by my inability to pay for things of this nature) and was completely ostracized from the entire scene. Hanging out at "collectives" and "underground" concert venues, I was simultaneously amused and sickened at how many of the people I saw in those places were simply variations on a rigid theme.

Darren Crazy Arm said...

I think that a lot of (presumably decent) self-proclaimed anarchists are taking what Tom says way too personally. The only ones who should take it personally are the ones responsible for making him feel that way in the first place - probably similar to the ones who made me feel that way when I was involved in certain anarchist organisations in my teens and twenties, where I felt that same creeping sense of disillusionment and mistrust with certain movers and shakers. Regrettably, I used to be quite cliquey and over-aggressive at one point, and I was all-too aware of how off-putting that was to people who were just getting into radical activism. Then, thankfully, I grew out of it.

If you're not the kind of self-serving, self-righteous anarchist activist who bullies, intimidates or arrogantly heckles your comrades in debates or meetings or demonstrations then you're safe. If you are that kind of person, consider yourself implicated.
Tom Gabel still clearly gives a shit about what's going on and he's still clearly on 'our' side, whatever that means (major label or no major label). That's good enough for me. When he writes a song that praises the cops or the military for doing a good job, then start worrying. Until then, appreciate the man's candour, at least.

Xavier said...

I find this commentary refreshing in the aspect that the author refuses myopic or ultimate perspectives. It is the honest thoughts of an experienced person. I think anyone can relate to how easily you can become absorbed and fired by anything when you're young. Gabel speaks volumes in music and text - a rare seed indeed.

Anonymous said...

so is slc punk your favorite movie?

Some guy from Texas said...

I understand where Tom is coming from, but can't say I agree. The problem is that personal lifestyle choices have come along with being an anarchist when they shouldn't. Political ideas have nothing to do with individuals or their lifestyle. I have no problem with Tom or Against Me! appealing to the multitudes. I would just rather they take a positive message to them. It's too bad really. I'll probably still listen as I listen to non-political music but it doesn't have as much appeal to me anymore.

The anarchist movement in this country is a joke. There aren't a whole lot of good mass organizations out there. But that has very little to do with the validity of the ideas, as plenty of other countries have had solid mass organization. There is a reason this becomes an issue for some. That being that he has a podium and some might take what he says over what many others say. Although, you should go elsewhere for your politics. Yet, alas, too many take their politics from their culture. I was an anarchist long before I listened to Against Me! or any punk music. I'm still not really a punk.

It just really is sad that to him anarchism means what he thinks it does. There is so much more to it and he would do better to read the classics, step back and look historically. For me, to be honest, the punk scene has really done a lot of damage to anarchism. There is this militant lifestyle that you have to adhere to rather than just being good music with some outlook toward the greater society.

Personally, I think this has more to do with the idiots who scream sell-out to the band than anything political. I think he took it personally and so just drifted away from what he perceived to be their militant anarchism. Noam Chomsky teaches at MIT, Kropotkin was a part of the aristocracy, we don't live in the kind of society we want yet. So people have to make a living, that's the way it goes.

Anonymous said...

Tom, not only is your opinion not fair of the anarchist community that still fights for social justice, it is also irresponsible. It works against everything that you supposedly stand for, i.e. being an "autonomous individual," and still holding onto that special "political awakening."

Reading through these comments, its obvious that your jaded beliefs hold a relative amount of sway on young minds. Your new album, good as it may sound, still only convince fans that striving for a better world is a waste of time, and that the cause is nothing more than an immature, foolish endeavor.

I'm not going to get into the whole "rich sell out" ignorant shit. Its obvious that you have money, and the argument is certainly trite. But think before you act. You have a golden opportunity to inspire people with your art. Use it wisely. If you care about anything, and haven't turned back toward the nihilism that you were born from, take your words and your chords and continue your activism in a more positive way.

Please, don't shit on the social struggle when its already in such a precarious, apathetic, and cynical state of being. We need to attack these problems from a multitude of angles (each angle being just as important as any other), and quite frankly, we need all the help we can get.

- Anarchist organizer and old fan of Against Me!

scape said...

I posted this on the Warren thread, but Tom and anarchy makes me (laugh and) want to re-post, so here:

I'm sure no one of any importance reads these comments, but I'm gonna post this anyway..

Obviously no one (including myself) here has any special insight into AM! or any kind of "inside information" - we're just speculating. Who knows what has gone on between Warren and the band over the last however-many years its been. We are sadly just watching the death rattle of a band that meant so much to us once. I'm not gonna flame about major labels or shit like that (honestly I hope you guys make enough money to retire happy and raise families in nice homes), but with all that business shit aside, it has hurt the hearts of your old fans like me to watch this band become pop-culture sensations. I understand you can't keep making the same record over and over and you guys need to feel excitement when you record and play new songs. I totally get that. But that doesn't mean you have to abandon your core ideals - the ideals that you sang with such heart and earned you fans like myself.. the ideals that make fans like me feel something inside when we hear your better albums like RAR. I've talked to you Tom after shows, and you really do seem like a nice, genuine guy. It's a shame your musical actions don't reflect that anymore. Like I said, I totally understand you need to make new and different music. I know you wanted bigger distribution so you left Fat. I know you need to make a living just like the rest of us. Unfortunately you are also very, very defensive about it too. What did you really expect though from your fans who have been buying your records for ten years? Did you really think we would just follow and sing along to the polished, half-baked songs you're putting out now? You were fucking with yourself if you did. Of course there's a backlash. Your fans used to feel something.. used to feel like they were hearing something special and real. We believed in what you sang and your lyrics became part of our lives. There's something to be said about indie labels and the gritty-ness of DYI style albums. I don't wanna keep on bashing, but a band with songs about anarchy, poverty and revolution becomes ironic when they've moved on beyond those things and live a new and better life, yet continue to sing about them. I've lost my point now, but really I just wanted to convey the sadness us long-term fans feel when we hear a song like Burn juxtaposed with whatever random song off New Wave or White Crosses.

Maybe Warren understood this and you three can't. I don't know. But the tone in which you speak about Warren seems to reflect the fact that deep down you know in your heart that AM! has changed for the worse and got lost in the wrong direction. That's just my personal speculation on it.. only you know.

I will continue to support your personal endeavors, but musically I just cannot do it. You guys had lightning in a bottle and sold it for a million bucks. Please don't ever forget that you are where you're at because of THE FANS. And speaking of Warren, I think that's something Warren understood very well - well enough to leave while his heart still had something left.

Sorry for rambling.

steffen said...

Thanks for this statement and I respect that. But I think you should sing "the revolution was a lie to me" - not in general. There are a lot of people out there (me included) who live actually their own "revolution". There are autonomous spaces, there are direct actions that improve daily grind. I'm nearly 30 and I changed my mind very often - but I still believe, that I can live my life an anarchistic way - without the world revolution. So this song spits me in the face (subjective feeling, of course). But I can respect that, too.

I used a lot of brackets - I think, thats a little bit like the world is. You say that you thought in black and white. And with the lyrics of this song I think, you still do.

Anyway, best, I like free minds,

Steffen

Anonymous said...

scape you missed the point, exactly that should it not be: writing songs for the fans. bands should sing about what they feel and about things which they think should be expressed...not about things the fans want to hear. please remember this.
although this is not my kind of music anymore, I still love the early stuff...
and we shouldn't judge about persons we don't really know, more we should ask ourselves why people feel enrageded about this scene we created and still create. Against me is not the first band and won't be the last where chants like "sell-outs" are shouted, so ask yourself why bands don't stay in squats, why people don't feel good in the squats. ask yourself what went wrong all the years!

scape said...

I hear what Anonymous Guy is saying, but yeah, maybe it's a good thing the point of all this was lost on me? Perhaps I just can't wrap my head around the direction and style AM! has chosen.. who knows. You are also right to point out that I shouldn't be passing judgement, and that bands need to make themselves happy. However I will ALWAYS believe that part of a band's happiness is the love and admiration they get from their fans. That was my point maybe..

I think every band should make enough money to be happy and comfortable, I said that already in my last post. But there's a very fine line in the mind of a fan between success and wealth and being a lovable struggling musician who makes enough to get by. Again, it's not my place to throw AM! into either category, but in my own view AM! walked that line perfectly - until Clarity came out. And honestly fuck No Idea, fuck Sire, fuck Fat.. I don't care about the label, but the brand and style of music I find on the record. I was excited for Clarity, but after hearing it it felt more like an exhale from AM! than a record they were happy with.

I am 26 and I pray I can hang onto the ideals I believed in growing up. I also prayed AM! could do the same while making a living - but unfortunately that pray was unanswered..

jacknifebootstrap said...

Tom, thank you for this post. It's a wonderful thing to find musicians and artists who are not just of a like mind to myself, but who continue to grow and challenge themselves and their fans.

Reading these comments shows that there are still a lot of "teenage Anarchists"... many of whom are probably well out of their teens. It's so sad that we continue to divide ourselves into factions because so many of us fail to recognize the fact that as we grow, our ideals should evolve along side us. To all the naysayers: Belief in a singular collective identity is a key aspect of fascism. If you were to ask every Anarchist in the world what Anarchism is to them, you would receive a different (however slightly) answer from every person you spoke with... it's called being an individual, exercise it to the fullest.

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Anonymous said...

Shitty song. Shitty lyrics. Then Tom tries to nuance and backtrack things in the piece. How convenient to not include that in the lyrics then. Can't make those record execs discontent now can we?

Nazareth said...

I agree with every word you wrote, Tom. I've never been part of the whole anarchist thing, but even from the outside I can tell that there's a lot of bullshit involved. I see a lot of close-mindedness and hypocrisy. All those people calling you a sell-out don't know what they're talking about. I don't see anything wrong with a grown man trying to live a better life. Don't let it get you down. I look up to you a lot for the choices you've made. You're not a sell-out and Against Me is still a great band. Keep on doing what you do best.

Anonymous said...

That's how it works Tom. movements don't exist because they have an answer and anyone who sais they do is a liar, just like your "revolution". It sounds like you still see things in black and white, accept now you spend most of your time defending your personal decisions instead of celebrating your autonomy. You're an entertainer now. Embrace it. Stop pandering to your insecurities by writing songs about why the people that loved you don't understand you anymore.

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Anonymous said...

This is true. I've long been tired of watching the costumed "punks" with the proper left field stance generic to the whole scene. These kids are trendy. It's easy to stand for something with an army behind you, of course, but for anyone to ever find what they really believe they'll have to break those chains given to them by their peers.
I appreciate this explanation, but Tom, I feel a little like your laughing at us. Those older songs, even into New Wave, held such strong emotion and angst, and fueled our young fires. Now that the whole damn thing sounds like pop, complete with generic song structures and lyrics, what are we supposed to believe? I'm NOT sorry if you're really reading this, and I don't mean to offend, but if it's this easy to burn out, sell out, give out, whatever you call it, then what, if anything, is worth standing for!? Maybe you guys have grown up, but what does that mean?(I don't blame you for having a life and needing money to support it, but does that call for the complete abandon of the entire against me vibe?)I mean it kid, it was a sad sad day when we realized even the things we held most pure could become tainted just like that. Either way, I feel sick to my stomach, don't you? (anymore)

-Nat Stuart (gnatty91@yahoo.com)

Charlotte Burnette said...

If you must sound poppy, well thats okay, but please please please just sing it like you mean it!

GoodStuff said...

The sadest part of the anarchist "movment" as of late is that the younger part of the idiolagly that I've learned to love so much and have fought for so long is that it is in fact truning quickly into yet another pc-cult and that actualy sadens me so much. I can hardly see my self as a part of it in this day and age

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...aaanndd back from the dead.

I can absolutely relate to this song. I didn't get beat by cops, but I did get thrown in jail a lot for shit I should've just been grounded for.

I felt passionate about my cause. To steal Tom's line, I really did want to set the world on fire. Even then, I couldn't see a viable solution to all the problems I saw with the world. I didn't know where to begin, and who gives a shit about what comes out of a teenager's mouth anyway, right?

The most satisfying thing that came out of those years for me, was the impact I made on my dad, and his on me. My dad and I got into it all the time. He had an unwavering faith that the US Government could do no wrong, and that it had the world's best intentions at heart. He served 20 years in the Army to defend said government. It took years before I broke through, and started to shed some light on some of the dirty shit this government has pulled. While dad didn't go out and try to burn down the mayor's office, he did start to make informed decisions when it came to voting, and discussing politics. He didn't sound like a mindless idiot anymore. He became a free thinker.

In return, I joined the army. Say what you will about the Army, and the wars, and all the other cliche topics to bash the military about. My perspective is this: where else can you get the opportunity to be as close to change as in the military. Until you see with your own eyes someone getting shot dead because they don't believe in a God extreme enough, you really don't have a solid grasp on just how bad the world is.

I don't care what the "official" reason is that we go into another country and stir shit up. While we can question the whole point of going to Iraq, let us not forget that fucking jack-off Saddam did gas his own population. His sons were notorious for kidnapping women off the street and raping/murdering them at will. Any sick fuck like those deserve to die themselves, and I'm happy to help that happen.

There's a lot of good thought-provoking, ideas in anarchy. But the big picture is that short of a post-nuclear world, it's not going to happen. So suck up your fucking pride, give Tom a break, and realize that in the end if you struggle for anarchy, you're wasting your time. Instead try to achieve something that is realistic. Like actually making a difference.

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Tampa John said...

Great post Tom. I feel like an asshole being one of those guys 10 years ago, freaking out about you all signing to Fat Wreck. 10 years, 3 children, and a career later I just have to say how much I appreciate your music, your message, and all of the hard work you guys have put into all of it. You have come a crazy long way, and I wish you all the success in the world. -- TampaJohn

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